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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby inairam » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:58 am

Eugene that makes sense to me.

You are converting for standardization of your fleet not to make it easier to start. This thread is about 12 v are easier to start.

There are a lot of good reasons to go the 12 volts. I just do not think starting is one of them.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Jackman » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:13 am

When I need a battery a 12 volt it's easy to find in my shop or one of the several vehicles I have, a 6 volt battery would be a trip to the store for a battery the only works for a Cub , 12 volt cranks like the crazy for an easy start up :D , also my local starter shop said my 6 volt starter can handle a 12 volt battery , and the reg/cut out I replaced two of them kinda pricy and IH had them sticking out from under the hood in the weather not good imop, my 12 pancake lights shine brighter than the 6 volts :D , 12 volt conversion is an improvement even IH went to 12 volt Cubs :tractor:

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Super A » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:21 am

Jackman wrote:When I need a battery a 12 volt it's easy to find in my shop or one of the several vehicles I have, a 6 volt battery would be a trip to the store for a battery the only works for a Cub , 12 volt cranks like the crazy for an easy start up :D , :



How often do you have to buy a battery?

Again the "fast startup" thing is a myth if you've maintained the tractor properly.

Everybody to their own kick but 12 volt conversions are not some sort of magical cure-all or even a necessity except under certain situations.

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:31 pm

If you stick with a 6-volt battery, use a light 12-volt ground cable, and ground it through the battery box, here is the sort of cranking results you can expect:

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby ntrenn » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:00 pm

Betcha didnt expect a riot.....
So...i ordered my brushes for abou 12 on ebay a few years back.
The 6 v starter is built heavier than the 12v but the brushes take a beating over time. Cheap and easy to replace. You can check their wear through the band on the starter.
As far as starting...we have had the 62 since 1969. As a 6v, it ate a battery every year or two, would never start when it got cold. Dad would buy batteries for a '49 ford' because they would only give you 6 months on a tractor battery.
Pop converted it in the mid70's. It is still running the original everything except coil and starter brushes. I have started it in 20 below zero. 6 volt wouldnt stand a chance. I put a battery in it every 4 years or so...
On the 'factory' 12v loboy...it cost me a $150 rebuild just last year. Its not built as well as the 6v.....

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Curtis » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:03 pm

I have a 6 volt cub and a 12 volt, both original and I plan to keep them that way, to me, that is part of the enjoyment. I use both tractors, the '51 has a sickle bar on it for keeping the fence rows and road ditch trimmed up and the '66 has the blade for snow and gravel work.
Yesterday I went to start the '51 and the battery was dead, I think my little five year old cherub had turned the lights on sometime ago. I got the hand crank, and it started on the forth turn, try that without a magneto. :tractor:

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby cub&catman » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:59 pm

I have run my 1949 cub for 10 years on 12 volts. Only thing that i changed after putting on a distbutor and coil was the light bulbs ,switch and a 12 volt regulator. I do'nt have to run the starter one fourth the time that i did when it was on 6 volts. Even seems to have more power with the distritor and coil. I have known guys to put a 6 volt starter on their 12 volt cars so they would start faster in our cold winters.

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby ShawnAgne » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:47 pm

Well the reason I switched it to 12volt was I was talking to Art (built my 184 motor) about going to electronic ignition. On his recommendation, along with my brother's father in law, and David's they all said or have told me over time to go to 12volt if I was going to do that. So I did it.

On a second not I got the Larson PAR36s in the pancake lights on my 300.
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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Shane Nelson » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:26 am

Glad you got it done Shawn. Enjoy it.
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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby inairam » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:09 am

did you put in the electronic ignition? That does have a big difference in starting.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby ShawnAgne » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:15 am

Yes I put it in after the initial post. Just with the 12V with the points still in I noticed a difference.
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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby coppersmythe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:10 pm

good afternoon all from the deep south . high today 80 . low tonight 47 :{_}: :{_}: low humidity . :{_}: :{_}: . thanks yanks . i have one tractor with a 6v magneto , one with a 6v distributor/coil , one with the 12v factory setup , and a 12v one wire alternator conversion with petronics "points" . after several years , i have yet to have to "fiddle" with the conversion . that cannot be said of the others . my experience . which one is my favorite cub ? the one i'm riding on at that moment :D . coppersmythe..................................( by the way , i love cranking the magneto cub by handcrank , two slow turns to get the gas going , then on one , maybe two quick pulls :tractor: )

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby farmtrac » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:34 pm

I have two 12v cubs and two 6v cubs, the 6v cubs crank over slower but start just as fast as the 12v cubs do. I enjoy the different feel of cranking between the 6v and 12v, and that they are also still original.

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Re: 12 Volt WOW!!!

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:08 pm

Boss Hog wrote:Shawn, Don't fix the starter if it aint broke

Exactly!
...but if it does do a search on eBay.
Got what I needed cheap, rebuilt it myself and it’s lasted years since.
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