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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:00 am

The closest thing that Case builds is their A series.
https://www.caseih.com/northamerica/en-us/products/tractors/farmall-series/compact-farmall-a-series#0
It's a 35hp diesel with shuttle shift (or hydrostatic for an upcharge) and starts around the $20K price mark.
This is essentially "way bigger" than a cub for roughly a cub price when adjusted for inflation.

I guess I just don't see IH DNA in the Case products. :surrender: Don't shoot, it's just my personal opinion.
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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby jsfarmall » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:48 am

I feel the same way.

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby T-Mo » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:57 am

outdoors4evr wrote:The closest thing that Case builds is their A series.
https://www.caseih.com/northamerica/en-us/products/tractors/farmall-series/compact-farmall-a-series#0
It's a 35hp diesel with shuttle shift (or hydrostatic for an upcharge) and starts around the $20K price mark.
This is essentially "way bigger" than a cub for roughly a cub price when adjusted for inflation.

I guess I just don't see IH DNA in the Case products. :surrender: Don't shoot, it's just my personal opinion.


In my little humble opinion, they're just ugly with what looks to be a lot of plastic, which is the norm in the industry nowadays.

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby KETCHAM » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:45 pm

I would like to see the price tag and all the warning stickers all over it.....would not need to paint it!!!! ..I'll stick with my old ones!!!!
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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby ntrenn » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:28 pm

Dad paid 1200 in 1969 for the 63. It was about 1700 with plow disc cultivators and woods 42 new. Inflation adjusted pushes 20g today...wow!!
A neighbor of mine had a satoh 650g. That little tractor was amazing...so i looked it up...came with a 60 inch mazda 4 cylinder gas at 25 hp....there's your ' modern' cub engine. All you need is a 'real' high-low splitter and let the fun begin. Only problem with that motor...you could buy a fleet of cubs cheaper than a rebuild...

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby leerenovations » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:58 pm

Pardon me if im wrong, but wasn't there something like an updated Cub that was brought out by International in the 80s? It had the same offset design and even the PTO turned in the same direction as a cub. I cant think of the model but it was about 20 horsed give or take. But I have only seen a handful and they didn't sell to well down here in Oklahoma.

EDIT: I found what I was talking about, its a international 274. I cant remember if the PTO is reversed or not. but it looks like the designers were taking a Cub as an example and it is approx. 30 HP.

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby T-Mo » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:04 am

leerenovations wrote:Pardon me if im wrong, but wasn't there something like an updated Cub that was brought out by International in the 80s? It had the same offset design and even the PTO turned in the same direction as a cub. I cant think of the model but it was about 20 horsed give or take. But I have only seen a handful and they didn't sell to well down here in Oklahoma.

EDIT: I found what I was talking about, its a international 274. I cant remember if the PTO is reversed or not. but it looks like the designers were taking a Cub as an example and it is approx. 30 HP.

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Dave F mentioned the IH 274 in this thread already, but he didn't post any pictures. Not being that familiar with IH tractors, it's good to see what a IH 274 looks like. Thanks for posting the images of one.

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby gitractorman » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:37 pm

The 274 has all of the modern updates that a Cub didn't, so it is an example of a "modern" Cub, but it's really more of a modern Super A/100/130/140 in size and power. Standard 540rpm PTO, 3-point hitch, dual hydraulics, diesel, etc. however, I don't think they were ever really that popular and I believe they used the Mazda engine which is expensive to repair due to lack of parts available.
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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby Craig roop » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:26 am

From what I see in the scrap yards,won't be many 70 year old anythings. The stuff just aint got enough to stand the test of time,and purely mechanical systems will always outlast the modern tech of electronics and even hydraulics.The KISS system just flat works!

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby Puffie40 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 3:51 am

It is very hard for anyone to compete with small tractors from Asia. They have garden-size row crops down to a science and their equipment reflects that. Even John Deere was just badging Yanmar tractors for their smaller product lines.

As for the reason tractors are not built as tough boils down to sustainability, both economic and environmental. Everything today is decided to have a life span of 10 years, after that you are expected to recycle it for a new model. (You have the auto industry to thank for that) The economic part of the is you keep the factory running by continuously buying product from them. The environmental part is newer models are supposed to have better emissions and are "cleaner", so you save the environment.

As a result of this, pressure is put on engineers to build to this expected lifespan and meet the government standards, while building to a price point.

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Re: Do you think an updated Cub would be competitive today?

Postby gitractorman » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:35 am

Yes, you've hit the nail on the head! I had a good friend who worked for Motorla down in Austin Tx. Their engineering "goal" was to build equipment that would only last 2 - 3 years. Basically, their phones, pagers, radios, etc., were more durable and lasting longer than the technology that was in them, so as engineers, they were figuring out how to build them less durable so they would ultimately fail in the time period that the technology should be extinct. The same is true for everything now, tractors, cars/trucks, refrigerators, couches, clothes, shoes, etc. It's now branded as "value engineering".
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