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cub gen.

Postby zebzeb » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:50 pm

My old 1947 cub does not have a generator. Do you know if cubs came with one? Thanks Zeb

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Re: cub gen.

Postby Slim140 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:52 pm

Yes, they did. There are 2 small holes in the hood so you could oil it as well.
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Re: cub gen.

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:54 pm

zebzeb wrote:My old 1947 cub does not have a generator. Do you know if cubs came with one? Thanks Zeb

Yes but not all of them.

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Re: cub gen.

Postby Slim140 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:55 pm

Jim Becker wrote:
zebzeb wrote:My old 1947 cub does not have a generator. Do you know if cubs came with one? Thanks Zeb

Yes but not all of them.

Jim, educate me here, why not? Hand crank only?
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Re: cub gen.

Postby LRiddle » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:09 pm

Chipmaker wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:
zebzeb wrote:My old 1947 cub does not have a generator. Do you know if cubs came with one? Thanks Zeb

Yes but not all of them.

Jim, educate me here, why not? Hand crank only?


I would assume so. Hand crank with no lights and magneto ignition.
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Re: cub gen.

Postby zebzeb » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:03 pm

Mine has the magneto ignition but i don't see where it ever had a gen. i didn't know if it needed a Gen. to keep the Mag. fired up or not.... I still can't get a spark from one of the spark plug wires .... I ordered another coil for it hoping it will do the trick....

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Re: cub gen.

Postby Glen » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:19 pm

Hi,
The starter, generator, and lights, and all the wiring for them was extra cost in 1947. IH called it electric starting and lighting.
So if you didn't buy the extra cost electrical equipment, you got a Cub without that. It had a magneto, and 1 wire going from the magneto to the ignition switch. The hand crank was how it was started.
Here are pages from the Cub owner's manual showing the info.
The 3rd page below showed how it looked under the hood with the electrical parts.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-54.jpg

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-59.jpg

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-33.jpg

The magneto needs no battery or generator, it makes it's own power. Be sure to file or replace the ignition points if they are burned. It makes a difference in how a magneto or Battery Ignition unit works to have flat and shiny point surfaces.
If one spark plug wire does not work, the wire could need replacing, or if it is connected to the spark plug, and it doesn't work, the spark plug might be dirty, or has quit working. :)

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Re: cub gen.

Postby inairam » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:34 pm

In addition to the cost, it removes a major system and the associated problems. It does put a bit more focus on making sure it is tuned and timed correctly.

If I ever get an '47 I was thinking of removing the lights, starter, battery, and generator. I just hand cranked my '49 with a mag this weekend. I enjoy it.
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Re: cub gen.

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:29 pm

Glen wrote:...The starter, generator, and lights, and all the wiring for them was extra cost in 1947. IH called it electric starting and lighting. ...


Yes, the extra cost was $46.00. Please note this in this Sept. 25, 1947 invoice:
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Re: cub gen.

Postby Glen » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:36 pm

Hi,
Really interesting info, Bill, thanks for posting. :)

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Re: cub gen.

Postby Bill Hudson » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:46 pm

Glen wrote:Hi,
Really interesting info, Bill, thanks for posting. :)


Thanks, Glen. I failed to post the rest of the purchase:
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Re: cub gen.

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:11 pm

zebzeb wrote:Mine has the magneto ignition but i don't see where it ever had a gen. i didn't know if it needed a Gen. to keep the Mag. fired up or not.... I still can't get a spark from one of the spark plug wires .... I ordered another coil for it hoping it will do the trick....
No, it does not need a generator to keep the magneto running. If it is only misfiring on one plug, you most likely have a bad spark plug, spark plug wire, or distributor cap. A coil would cause all of the spark plugs to give trouble. If it has been setting a while you may have a valve stuck rather than an ignition problem.
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Re: cub gen.

Postby Slim140 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:22 am

I knew some of the John Deere 2 cylinders had hand crank/electric start options but had no idea a Cub did. Thanks for the info!
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Re: cub gen.

Postby Slim140 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:22 am

Bill Hudson wrote:
Glen wrote:...The starter, generator, and lights, and all the wiring for them was extra cost in 1947. IH called it electric starting and lighting. ...


Yes, the extra cost was $46.00. Please note this in this Sept. 25, 1947 invoice:
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Re: cub gen.

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:56 am

Remember this was Sept, 1947, introduction and promotion. IH was trying to get the tractor in the hands of the farmers and could have been selling below cost. After all they had done quite well on other tractors in the lineup and sold a lot of them.
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