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No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:01 pm

When you do something from habit rather than thinking about what you are doing you are asking for trouble. I have been going over my loader tractor a little at a time for the last few years when I had time to work on it. Last fall I pulled the loader off again and started on the final round. It needed rear axle and differential seals and painting and I would be done. I wedged the front axles, picked it up with my engine hoist and put some cribbing under the transmission so I could pull the rear wheels and finals and go to work. A little at a time as I felt like it I replaced the needed seals, and wire wheeled and painted finals, fenders, seat, etc. including many of the small parts with the tractor setting like this for the last month or two.
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It was a nice day today, so I decided to roll it outside and spray it with Super Clean degreaser and pressure wash it. The rear was light enough I could lift it so I got my splitting stand out and mounted it on the right side like I always do to split the tractor. I cranked it up to remove the cribbing, and when I rested my hand on the transmission to reach down and move the last pieces This happened in slow motion.

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It rocked over far enough to hit the tool cart that was setting there with the radiator up right, and the cart moved a little and it stopped with the radiator resting against the cart. I pulled it away from the cart a little before these pictures. I have always heard the good Lord looks after fools and little children, and I am a long ways from being a little child. The only damage was a very slight bend it the top of the cart. I used my engine hoist to lift the rear end up, correct the dumb mistake I had made, and proceeded with my original plans to set the transmission on my carryall, connect a ratchet strap so it could not roll away, and back it out the door to be degreased.

As I said, I corrected my dumb mistake, and will post what it was when I get back to my computer tomorrow afternoon, but in the mean time lets see how many people can figure out what I did wrong from the clues I gave. You more experienced people will figure it out right away, but please let the less experienced people reply before you post please. There will be a prize too, it is knowing not to make the same dumb mistake I did.
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Eugene » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:20 pm

Glad you weren't hurt and no serious damage.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Waif » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:34 pm

Good that you are alright.
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:59 pm

Yeah, easy to make that mistake.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby inairam » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:45 am

If it could happen to John it could happen to anyone.
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Shane Nelson » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:14 am

Glad you weren't hurt John, that's the most important thing.
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby T-Mo » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:20 am

John,
You needed my nephew David there. Remember how easy he lifted that rear up when we were there a couple of weeks ago.

Main thing, no injuries and no major damage done.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Stanton » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:46 am

John, glad to see you weren't hurt or damage occurred. Also, thank you for being humble enough to share this with us in a teachable way.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby John(videodoc) » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:09 am

OOPS!

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby clemk » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:09 am

Same here. I'm glad you weren't hurt. Being one of the inexperienced guys, I think I have it figured out. If it's what I think, it is an easy thing to do without thinking. From my own experiences, I imagine you knew what happened before everything came to a whoa. Like has already been said, thank you for using it to show the less experienced like me
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Smokeycub » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:54 pm

John, glad you are and everything is ok. I believe I see/know what happened. The good news is your wedges held! :coffee:
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:16 pm

The best part is you're fine and there was minimal mechanical damage. I think I have it figured out.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:57 pm

Thanks everyone for their concern, but I was standing behind it and completely out of it's path. Had I been in it's fall path it was moving so slowly I could have stopped it, or had I been younger and more agile with no arthritis or back problems I could probably have made it to the front to grab it and stop it, but at a little over 69 I just watched it go, figuring it was easier to find any needed cub parts than me parts. :wink:

Here is the thing I did wrong
John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote:....... I got my splitting stand out and mounted it on the right side like I always do to split the tractor.........

When splitting a cub you are normally supporting the torque tube and front of transmission, which is a light load, and with the finals and both rear wheels there they stabilize the part the splitting stand is supporting. In this instance however I was supporting the rear of the engine, the torque tube and the entire transmission, which was within range of the strength of my splitting stand. The problem was that the front axle pivot is on the right side of the engine, almost in line with the steering shaft, and I also put my stand on the right side leaving the 2 points of support several inches to the right of the center line of the engine and drive train with only the weight of the right front wheel and axle to counter balance it, and that was not enough, so over it went. The really odd part was it was so close that until I laid my hand on the rear of the transmission it stayed put.

All I had to do was put a sling under the rear of the transmission and use my engine hoist to raise it and the whole thing rocked slowly back onto it's wheels. I then moved my splitting stand to the left side and all was well. I then went ahead with my plan to pick the transmission up on my carryall and roll the whole rig outdoors to commence degreasing.
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I spoke to Eugene last night, who I have learned is one of the more knowledgeable people I know as to maintaining old machinery, and he had spotted my error right off the bat, though he said he probably would have done the same thing had I not brought this up. I figure Bill Hudson as well as a few others have it figured out.
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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Bill Hudson » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:11 pm

Yes, John, I had it figured out. Your experience is just one of the reasons that the splitting stands I made for the torque tube are centered http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=144&t=60737, however, my stand(s) may not have prevented what happened in your particular situation. I'm just delighted that you were not hurt.

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Re: No matter how experienced you are, or how many times you have done something

Postby Eugene » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:31 pm

John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote:I spoke to Eugene last night, who I have learned is one of the more knowledgeable people I know as to maintaining old machinery, and he had spotted my error right off the bat, though he said he probably would have done the same thing had I not brought this up.
Glad John brought up and discussed his accident. I would have done the same thing. Force of habit, placing the splitting stand on the right side of the tractor for this job.
I have an excuse. CRS.


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