Cub in storage for 28 yrs

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Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby rhowes » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:56 pm

Hi all: I'm going to visit my new to me cub next wknd I'm concerned about a few things fuel tank, engine/ tranny oil, stuck engine, Rad engine busted from frost. Want to put something down spark plugs, in engine and transmission/ rear end. Rad was bad before my father passed in 89 but i'm not sure if the tractor should be left drained of fluids should I refill everything as it's going to sit for another year as I'm just too busy to start another project. Any ideas would be appreciated. Also I'm going to take some pictures if anyone was interested. Is there anyway to post them on this site?
Thanks
Richard

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:27 pm

Richard, welcome to the forum and congrats on the family CUB coming home to you. I read your other posts about this tractor and I don't think another year waiting will make a lot of difference. If you can, protect it from the weather. You can top off the fluids if desired but in the end it probably won't matter. As far as the engine/radiator fluids with your location in the Northeast I would say leave it empty since the radiator is not holding fluid. As for the oil sump/stuck engine you could install a plate between the carb and intake manifold and after removing the spark plugs, fill the engine with a mix of something like ATF/kerosene/light oil to allow it to soak. You're probably looking at a complete disassembly of the engine anyway to get it freed up. If the lower radiator housing is cracked from freeze damage, it can be replaced. If the plug is not/cannot be removed, remove the lower radiator hose to ensure there is no water present. Pictures can be attached to your post, click on "full editor & preview" then attachments, select and add. Large files will have to be resized to post. Good Luck. Stan
EDIT: This one sat for over 30 years. Click on the picture for a larger view.
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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby Eugene » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:41 pm

In addition to Stan's suggestions, place a bucket under the transmission and remove the transmission's drain plug. Leave the bucket under the transmission until the weather warms up. Guessing there is water/ice in the transmission.

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:27 pm

Good call Eugene. I checked the zip code, Niagara Falls, NY. Bound to be some ice anywhere water can collect.

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby rhowes » Tue Mar 14, 2017 7:06 pm

Thanks everyone I'm not sure the engine is stuck yet it's in an old building with a good roof and a plank floor so good ventilation. Just hope there's no damage due to frost and I might just try filling the engine with atf just so it's protected from moisture until I get to it maybe the transmission to if I can but will drain both first and c what comes out
Thanks
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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby Cubfriend » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:10 pm

If you put a plate between the manifold and carb to hold ATF in don't forget about the hole in the bottom of the manifold that was for water to drain out. Good idea to have a big pan under as much as you can. Good Luck! ...Frank
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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby Waif » Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:55 pm

No rush.
Compressed air a big help before trying to remove spark plugs.
They may need patient soaking with a penetrating fluid repeatedly too. Not a good thing to rush.
Not rushing can save more work down the road.
Existing fluids can tell a lot. Easing fill plugs out can reveal overfill by water having leaked in.
Fluids that appear reasonably healthy can wait for a change if tractor is not being started .
Any water contaminated could be changed ,if water will be kept out after.

Mice ,mud daubers ,bee's ,spiders,birds, all kinds of interesting things can infiltrate a tractor.
For some reason ,chicken feathers infested mine before being acquired...

No rush ,but your tractor looks like fun.
I'd be all for some tranny fluid atop each piston. Maybe a squirt or two each valve too.

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby staninlowerAL » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:04 pm

rhowes wrote:Thanks everyone I'm not sure the engine is stuck yet.....Richard
Not too difficult to determine if the engine is stuck if you have or can borrow a hand crank. Place the trans in neutral and try to turn the engine over with the hand crank. You might get lucky and find that it's still free. (Mine in the picture was free, had some stuck valves.) If you don't have a manual, click on the "QUICK LINKS" at the top left corner of this page and download one. Makes for some good reading for catching up on what you should know/do to the CUB. Also check the page for CUBFESTS, there's a couple in the northeast that should be within a reasonable distance. That's the best place to learn about your CUB. Stan

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby rhowes » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:02 am

Thank you when I get up there I will find the crank it should be attached to the floor board with a piece of metal wire "probably an old clothes hanger"
Thanks again
Richard

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby rhowes » Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:37 pm

Hi all: went to see the cub Saturday found the engine had antifreeze, engine oil topped up and gas tank empty. I removed the sediment/shut off from the tank removed carb have ordered carb kit and ignition kit with oil filter. Will be going back up in two weeks will reinstall everything after I give the tank a good rinsing out and let dry. Going to drop the tranny fluid to seems to be a lot of seals shot wheels tranny rear drives. Will remove all seals and check bearings soon and replace all at once. Rad was fixed but turning green 2" from bottom. Other than engine oil which I will wait on until I'm closer to getting ready to fire engine again. Have I missed anything? Thanks Richard

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby Eugene » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:21 pm

Prime the oil pump before trying to start the engine. Search function, lots of posts on the topic.

Edit: If you don't have one, down load the operators manual for the tractor. Manuals, top of page.
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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby Dale Finch » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:30 pm

I would wait a bit before replacing the seals in the finals. They may be leaking only because the transmission has too much fluid or fluid/water mix, bringing the level above the seals. After you drain and refill with gear oil to the level (only 3 1/2 PINTS) the seals may not leak. Might save you a lot of work. :D

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Re: Cub in storage for 28 yrs

Postby rhowes » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:08 pm

Thanks everyone great info will look up how to prime engine on this site thanks again
Richard


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