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New guy with an old Cub
This is the first of what I'm sure will be many posts on this board...
I just brought home my Grandpa's 1952 Farmall Cub. As far as I know, he bought it new. The last time it was driven was sometime around '84 or '85. Unfortunately it's sat outside ever since. Needless to say it's in pretty sad shape but seems to be pretty solid. There is some sheet metal that's rusted clean through (at either end of the hood assembly), but the hood and gas tank seem intact. I did put a new to me set of tires and wheels as the old ones were dry rotted and in pieces.
Here are a couple of pics for your enjoyment...
I apologize for the picture resolution. I will have to work on that for future posts.
Here's the data plate in case someone on the board tracks serial numbers in a database...
The engine is seized, but the rest of the drivetrain seems pretty free. I haven't torn into it yet to see if it's salvageable. That might not happen until Spring. I did find some old posts on this board that mention someone named "Ralph" that was a source for Cub engines. Is he still around the board? Or should I just buy a donor Cub and overhaul that engine.
Obviously I have my work cut out for me. If I just wanted A Cub, I would have brought home something that was in better shape. But, I wanted THIS Cub since it was my Grandpa's. I spent many hours on this thing as a kid when I would visit the farm. I was never allowed to drive it back then and then my Grandparents had to move off the farm about the time I was getting old enough to work with it. I was the last person to drive it though. Back in '84 or '85, I put new plugs, wires, etc. in it and motored around the farm on it. Since there was no one living there at the time, I took the carb off it and it's been in my toolbox ever since. At some point the neighbor hauled it to his place. I never knew until recently that he just had it there so no one else would take it from the farm. He had it in his barn for a while, but then needed room and pushed it out. He did tell me that the engine was already seized when he took it to his place.
I'm looking forward to getting started on this and taking advantage of the incredible knowledge base that I've seen from reading a lot of the threads here!!
I just brought home my Grandpa's 1952 Farmall Cub. As far as I know, he bought it new. The last time it was driven was sometime around '84 or '85. Unfortunately it's sat outside ever since. Needless to say it's in pretty sad shape but seems to be pretty solid. There is some sheet metal that's rusted clean through (at either end of the hood assembly), but the hood and gas tank seem intact. I did put a new to me set of tires and wheels as the old ones were dry rotted and in pieces.
Here are a couple of pics for your enjoyment...
I apologize for the picture resolution. I will have to work on that for future posts.
Here's the data plate in case someone on the board tracks serial numbers in a database...
The engine is seized, but the rest of the drivetrain seems pretty free. I haven't torn into it yet to see if it's salvageable. That might not happen until Spring. I did find some old posts on this board that mention someone named "Ralph" that was a source for Cub engines. Is he still around the board? Or should I just buy a donor Cub and overhaul that engine.
Obviously I have my work cut out for me. If I just wanted A Cub, I would have brought home something that was in better shape. But, I wanted THIS Cub since it was my Grandpa's. I spent many hours on this thing as a kid when I would visit the farm. I was never allowed to drive it back then and then my Grandparents had to move off the farm about the time I was getting old enough to work with it. I was the last person to drive it though. Back in '84 or '85, I put new plugs, wires, etc. in it and motored around the farm on it. Since there was no one living there at the time, I took the carb off it and it's been in my toolbox ever since. At some point the neighbor hauled it to his place. I never knew until recently that he just had it there so no one else would take it from the farm. He had it in his barn for a while, but then needed room and pushed it out. He did tell me that the engine was already seized when he took it to his place.
I'm looking forward to getting started on this and taking advantage of the incredible knowledge base that I've seen from reading a lot of the threads here!!
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome , there is a wealth of knowledge here . You can search the site for info. On freeing the stuck engine. Questions are always welcome and pics are much appreciated.
Berlin
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome, Buckeye. Enjoy the family Cub, you can't replace that history. Lots of Cubber help not far from you. I'm sure they will be chiming in soon.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Ralph has retired from the cub parts business. TST does parting out, now,
Good luck with your project.
Ed
Good luck with your project.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome from an old guy with an old tractor (49). Sounds to me that the rebuild would make a great Winter project. There's a lot of knowledge on this site so grab what you can.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome to the Forum. I'd suggest spending some time trying to free up the engine before buying a new one. In the pictures, it looks like the exhaust may have been left uncovered. If it has been raining into the exhaust for 20+ years, the engine may be shot. Pull the plugs, squirt in a cup of penetrating oil, diesel, kerosene, etc and give it a week. There are several recent threads about freeing up stuck engines that you can find using the search feature. The front sheet metal pieces that connect the hood to the radiator bolster are called doglegs and are easily found. Hopefully, the radiator was drained or had good antifreeze in it and there are no freeze cracks anywhere.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome from another new guy! I have read about adding acetone to tranny fluid, mystery oil, or whatever. It is supposed to make the oil penetrate better. Good luck with it.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
In looking at the pictures again, the radiator and gas caps are missing.... May be some additional work involved there.
Bob
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Congrats on saving your Grandpa's cub. I understand exactly the reasoning behind your thoughts. I had hoped to find and save my Grandpa's Allis Chalmers B but never could locate it so I did the next best thing: studied pictures and found one like it which now rests its self in my tractor shed. Unless the block is freeze damaged, it is probably salvagable, might be necessary to bore and slieve it back to standard size. Anything you need parts-wise is available and any question that you might have can and will be answered here. Enjoy the project, you will not regret it since it has a "family connection". Good Luck!! Stan
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
If it's sat outside for twenty years I wouldn't even bother messing around trying to get it unstuck. The chance of it unsticking with a little snake oil is wishful thinking. Take the head, oil pan, and valve cover off and SEE what's going on with the engine. Spray the bolts down with PB Blaster or whatever and let it set overnight. Then start on the lowest setting of an air impact wrench rocking the bolts back and forth. Then increase the setting a little bit and repeat until they come out. I recommend the air impact as being far less likely to twist off a bolt. I had a three spindle mower deck with four bolts in each spinlde. Twisted off the first two with a breaker bar. Came back the next day with an air impact and backed the other ten right out. The only thing I hate more than the breaker bar is easy outs. Don't even bother with them. You've got a half inch bolt that twisted off and you drill a hole and put a smaller piece of metal in it and EXPECT it to NOT break.
I hope things can be salvaged and repaired. I would want to keep as much of grandpa's tractor as I could. Like the seat, the correct police won't like it (they are pretty easy to get along with around here though ) but grandpa sat on that seat, and probably put it on there. I hope you know the story of what happened to the original one. Family tractors tell great stories.
Welcome to the forum. Ask plenty of questions and keep the pictures coming
I hope things can be salvaged and repaired. I would want to keep as much of grandpa's tractor as I could. Like the seat, the correct police won't like it (they are pretty easy to get along with around here though ) but grandpa sat on that seat, and probably put it on there. I hope you know the story of what happened to the original one. Family tractors tell great stories.
Welcome to the forum. Ask plenty of questions and keep the pictures coming
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
I second what scrivet said.
Inspect the engine block for freeze damage (particularly forward from the oil filter) and physical impact damage (mainly front ear below distributor). You are probably going to be in for boring and oversize pistons. You will probably find rusted valve seats that will require cutting out and replacing. A badly damaged block isn't likely to be worth the cost of the machine work. But you won't know how extensive the work will be until you open it up.
Inspect the engine block for freeze damage (particularly forward from the oil filter) and physical impact damage (mainly front ear below distributor). You are probably going to be in for boring and oversize pistons. You will probably find rusted valve seats that will require cutting out and replacing. A badly damaged block isn't likely to be worth the cost of the machine work. But you won't know how extensive the work will be until you open it up.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
pull the plugs put some ATF in the cyl's now. that way when you pull the head and start tearing the engine down 3 or 4 months from now the pistons will come out better.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Welcome to the Forum, Mark, or neighbor... you are about 20 miles north of me Congratulations on keeping the Cub in the family, will have extra meaning WHEN you get it going... may take a lot of work Take your time evaluating your needs, mark down Jeff Silvey's Winterfest on your calendar, you will meet a lot of great Cub folks: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=85559
Then next spring swing on down to the Barnyard Bash for all the help you might need by then: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=85471
Let me know if I can help, good luck,
Then next spring swing on down to the Barnyard Bash for all the help you might need by then: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=85471
Let me know if I can help, good luck,
David
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
mark02tj wrote:The last time it was driven was sometime around '84 or '85. Unfortunately it's sat outside ever since.
30 years is a long time for one to sit out side and not be touched. I have to agree with the others that the engine is probably shot. But it is a part of the family so you can always keep the faith. I am about an hour south of you. if you ever want to get together and discuss your Cub feel free to contact me. You definitely want to attend the Barnyard Bash this spring (http://www.barnyardbash.com). You will find a lot of Cub enthusiasts willing to help.
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Re: New guy with an old Cub
Barnyard wrote:mark02tj wrote:The last time it was driven was sometime around '84 or '85. Unfortunately it's sat outside ever since.
30 years is a long time for one to sit out side and not be touched. I have to agree with the others that the engine is probably shot. But it is a part of the family so you can always keep the faith. I am about an hour south of you. if you ever want to get together and discuss your Cub feel free to contact me. You definitely want to attend the Barnyard Bash this spring (http://www.barnyardbash.com). You will find a lot of Cub enthusiasts willing to help.
Welcome to the best Cub group around!
"keep the faith", Thirty years is a long time but it can be done. This one is a running tractor now.
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