Data plate rivets

[Paul B]

I replaced, rather than repair, the steering housing on my '49 Cub , and in the process of removing the data plate to put on the "new" housing, I managed to fold/spindle/mutilate and/or loose, three of the four data plate rivets. Does anyone have, or know of, a source for these rivets?

[Bigdog]

Paul, call Bob Diener, phone304-599-4027. He makes reproduction data plates and should have rivets as well.

[Jim Hudson]

These folks will have them over night from Atlanta, Ga. You need to know the size. You will get 100 in a box then share them.
http://www.mcmaster.com/

[WKPoor]

They are called drive screws and I too have bought them from McMaster Carr.

[Jim Hudson]

So you should have plenty of extra's

[WKPoor]

Jim- I've bought them in yrs past for reinstalling data plates on various other machinery. I'd have to try and dig them up and see if they would work on the Cub plates.

[Paul B]

Thanks guys. I am a McMaster-Carr customer, so I will do some measuring and give them a try.

[Patbretagne]

Good morning Paul
Would you be prepared to send me over a few to france if you get a box of 100?
See my post more french cubs again and the centre punched rivets on Number two
Bests Patrick

[Harold R]

Would you be prepared to send me over a few to france if you get a box of 100?

Pat,
I ship to France often. I don't know how difficult it is for you to get parts, but I will be glad to help. I have a Case/IH dealer close by. Planning a trip over sometimes this fall also.
HR

[Paul B]

Pat
I can do that. I have not measured the holes in the new-to-me casting yet, but what I order will be to fit the holes in that casting. I don't know if the holes in all the castings are the same size or not, or if what is in yours is the same. What I found on the McMaster-Carr site are plain rivets (soft steel and aluminum) , with either a round head, or universal head(kind of a flattened round head). There are also 2 types of drive screws, but the sizes are limited. They also have brass escutcheon pins, but at $22.40 a pound (about 856 pins), I won't be buying those. However, the one rivet I removed and managed not to loose, looks more like an escutcheon pin than a rivet. It is about 1/4 to 3/8 inch long, rounded head, and pointed on the end like a nail. It is slightly bent, so it appears it may have been just slightly longer than the depth of the hole, and the pointed end would help it bend, or upset, in the hole as it was seated, causing it deform and lock it's self in place. I don't know it the soft, plain rivets will do that or not, but I will find out

[George Willer]

Paul,

I usually remove the plates when I re-paint a tractor. So far (knock on wood), I haven't lost a rivet and re-use them. If it helps, I just measured one and it is .117" dia and exactly .375 working length.

[Paul B]

Thanks George. That is about what I found. A number 32 drill bit (.116) is a snug fit in all the holes of both castings. The holes are 1/2 deep. I measured two rivets (I found another) and they run from .114 - .117, but that may be because they are slightly deformed. The rivets and or drive screw from McMaster-Carr don't come in that diameter. They do have a couple of different drive screws made for a .116 pilot hole, but the OD of the screw is .135 and .138 . They are made for sheet metal, and that OD will cut into that, but I think that OD may be too big to cut into the casting. I guess I will go with an 1/8" diameter aluminum or brass rivet and enlarge the holes slightly. I will play with the old casting and try using a #31 bit (.120) and see if the 1/8" rivet can be seated, if not I will go to 1/8" hole and deform the working diameter of the rivet to make it a drive fit in the hole. Since IH made their own bolts, and liked to use odd length's (sell more bolts that way), they probably made the rivets also

[Jim Hudson]

OEM sends this size with there plates
Part #: B012
Brass Serial Tag Rivet
1/8’’ x 1/4’’
$.25 each

[Patbretagne]

We are a bit out in the forgotten part of France here, right out on the tip near Brest, the facilities and suppliers around here are very limited, any help you can get elsewhere is appreciated.
Rivets, whatever size, diameter etc will do, i'll make them fit so it looks a bit more original than the centre punched examples that are there! Thanks for your help, I'll send by address by Email
Pat

[Patbretagne]

Would you be prepared to send me over a few to france if you get a box of 100?

Pat,
I ship to France often. I don't know how difficult it is for you to get parts, but I will be glad to help. I have a Case/IH dealer close by. Planning a trip over sometimes this fall also.
HR

If you'r over and you can get out to the west come in and see us, we'll be' pleased to see you with a few breton crepes and a bottle of cidre, the traditional fare around here!
Pat