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Need Cub 48 wiring schematic

Postby 9mules » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:03 am

I'm a new Cub owner with starting/charging problems and would like to have an original wiring schematic for a 1948 Cub SN: 18268
I've seen alot of schematics out there but they're all a little different then how my Cub is set up:
1. 3-position light switch
2. cutoff relay (not a regulator as forum members have told me) ontop of generator...voltage regulated by light switch?
3. push-pull, run/kill plunger switch with push to start button ignition switch ....another words I don't have the common starting switch control rod I've a starter relay ontop the starter?
4. 20amp fuse is located behind the light switch
5. "F" on generator is connected to cutoff relay
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Postby Cub-Bud » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:09 am

Maybe this will get you started.

http://www.atis.net/CubFAQ/cub_faq_2.html#q3

You may have to change/omit a couple of things on your cub.
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got that an more

Postby 9mules » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:16 am

Cub-Bud, Thanks for the reply, got that one and others.always a little different.
Yea, I can work off of the ones out there in cyber space, but this set-up I've got is tricking me a little.
I'd like to see if my Cub has been modified in some after inspecting the previous owners wiring and abundance of paint overspray!
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:30 am

9mules, a 4 position light switch would have been orignal for your cub. The 3 position switch wasn't used until the cutout on top of the generator was replaced with a voltage regulater that was mounted elsewhere. Likewise, the starter relay wasn't used. Is your push-pull switch a 1 wire (magneto) or a 2 wire (distributer)? Are you sure the switch is 3 position and not 4 (count all the positions the switch cna be turned to). I am not up on exactly when some of the changes were made, but I thought that when the 3 position switch came into use it required a fuse mounted in the dash rather than still having one made as part of the switch. Wuth the F terminal from the generator connected to the cutout I assume it will only charge a max of 1 or 2 amps.
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Postby ChickenWing » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:13 am

Also keep in mind, that a 4 position switch will only hit 3 clicks when you turn it. You count the place where you start as one, then each notch is 1, and then the stop on the other side as 1. . Maybe this is causing confusion?

In other words, a 4 position will feel like it moves 3 times when going from one side to the other. A 3 position swithc will feel like it moves 2 times.
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Postby Cub-Bud » Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:49 pm

One other thing to check.....make sure the dash has a good ground to the torque tube. The guage grounds to the dash and the dash to the torque tube. In order for the guage to work/show charge, it must be grounded. 8) I learned this by reading Jim Becker's article in Red Power Magazine a few issues back. :wink: Thanks again for that article, Jim. :D
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Postby Cub-Bud » Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:30 pm

OOPS.....I stand corrected :shock: :!: The dash needs be grounded to the torque tube in order for the SWITCH to work properly, not the guage. Sorry :!: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Postby 9mules » Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:55 pm

Charged my battery up, installed it and fried the positive cable(ground) after it ran for a few seconds....whenever I touch the postivie cable to ground it sparks and fries.
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Postby 9mules » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:28 pm

Light switch labeled: O,D,B, thats it, ...but counting the clicks...I got 4 clicks.
First is O then etc.
Whats causing the positive ground to fry? I know the answer but damn...every time I touch this rig something ain't right.
Hmmm...ain't this fun.
Cub-Bud I ain't got a clue what a torque tube is on this rig.
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:18 pm

The torque tube is the casting between the transmission and the engine, it includes the clutch housing, and the dash fastens to it. Make sure you don't have a bare spot in the insulation of the battery cable going to the starter. If the retainer clip is missing, they can easily be rubbed through by the clutch pedal.
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Thanks now what?

Postby 9mules » Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:45 am

Thanks for the info...finally crawled all over the Cub for the first time and found out all kinds of things. I like that removable clutch inspection plate.
1. Clutch pedal ate the battery cable...fixed it...and starts right up.
2. Now the Cub's ampmeter is reading a discharge of 12-18 when the lights are turned on and about a 2-6 at slow idle without lights on.
4. Need to check to see that amp meter wires are connected correctily.
QUESTION:
Should I polarize...would this correct the amp readings?
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F terminal culprit

Postby 9mules » Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:03 pm

After fixing the ground cable the ampmeter was still showing discharge and I couldn't get the polarization spark....inspected the generator wiring by pulling the inspection ring off and found the F terminal wire wasn't connected....fixed that and got the infamous polarization spark and now the ampmeter reads its charging!
I hope this has finally fixed my Cub...thanks for all the help everyone!
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:20 am

Congratulations on getting your problems fixed. Sometimes it gets frustraing, but it feels good when it finally comes together doesn't it.
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Phase 2

Postby 9mules » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:47 am

Sure was frustrating but the knowledge gain (though it'll make you feel homicidal) in hindsight was worth it.
I'm still not comfortable with the electrical...just a little hard to start in the morning...need to run longer, making sure I've full charge & go through the wiring cleaning all ground connections.
Paint overspray is a killer!
Phase 2:
Find out why I've lite blue smoke (oil) and a slight knocking sound in head area.
Will change oil, use Sea Foam, research forum and download tech manuals.
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