Water in oil Help Needed

[jillm]

I have got water in the oil, also oil in the radiator any suggestions. Engine is running fine with no smoke. If it needs a part, what and where do i find them or any suggestions on their price please.

[Dale51]

It sounds like the block is cracked inside.
I would flush the cooling system & then change the oil.
Then run it for a bit & see what happens.
I may be wrong but the only way that I know of for the block to crack inside is if it froze up in cold weather.

Others will be along shortly with other ideas that I may not be aware of
good luck.

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[Matt Kirsch]

jillm,

There is definitely more wrong than just "replace a part." Like Dale says, there is almost certainly a crack in the block somewhere. That means most of the engine needs to be replaced, as cracks in the block usually cannot be repaired. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

It must be a very large crack if the oil and water are mixing both ways. Usually it's either water in the oil, or oil in the water.

This is what is called a "flathead" engine, because the valves are in the block. On overhead valve engines, coolant and oil flow from the block to the head, so a blown head gasket or cracked head could also be the problem. Unfortunately I don't think a cracked head or blown head gasket are possibile causes of your water/oil mixing on this engine. The head and head gasket would certainly be simpler to replace.

[jillm]

Thanks for the replies, please keep them coming.

Any ideas where i can get gasket and head from?????

Thanks

[Eugene]

Parts. The advertisers on this site, I believe, can ship to France. Go to the "For Sale/Wanted" section of this site.

Actually, I would wait untill I found out the source of the water/oil mix before I ordered parts.

You might try one of the site members living in France. He goes by the user name Patbretagne. Find one of his posts then click on his e-mail button. Pat should be a good source for Cub parts locations in France.

Eugene

[jillm]

I have changed the oil and its still the same, any more suggestions please, also a dealer or someone who sells to france. please help

It is my first tractor i have only had it 1 day before i noticed the fault. I do not know anything about tractors, hence looking for ideas.

Thanks

[Don McCombs]

I do not know the complete circumstances of your purchase of this tractor, but if you discovered this issue on the first day you owned it, the problem definitely existed before your purchase. If I were in your shoes, I would go back to the seller, explain the situation, and attempt to get my money back. It's worth a try.

[Matt Kirsch]

jillm,

As I said, the head and head gasket are most likely NOT the cause of your problem. There is no sense in throwing good money at the problem unless you know for sure what the problem is.

Try getting your money back first, unless you got a very good price on the tractor and are willing to put another 1000-1500 Euros into it to get it fixed.

For parts, do you have a telephone directory that lists businesses by category? We call them "Yellow Pages" here. Look under "Farm Equipment," or "Équipement De Ferme" (thanks babelfish! ), and start making phone calls. Also look under "agricole" or "tracteurs."

Disclaimer: No, I really don't know any French. I took 1/2 a year of it in Jr. High School, and completed my language requirement with Spanish.

[Patbretagne]

Salut Jillm, Je suis la pour vous aider, j'habite Finistère avec Noëlle, nous avons 4 cubs. Comme Matt et des autres ont dit, essayer de recouperer votre argent, vise caché.
Si vraiment c'est le bloc moteur qui est fisuré il n'y a beaucoup a faire sauf le changer.
J'ai des contacts pour pieces d'ocasion si necessaire. Aussi des manuels d'entretien moteur etc en français et en anglais.
Envoyez moi un Email (patbretagne@wanadoo.fr) ou Private message (dans mon profile, clickez sur mon nom sur un post) avec vos coordinées et je vous contacterai, merci Pat

[Don McCombs]

Pat,

Glad to see you back posting.

[tnestell]

Egg preserver, waterglass, sodium silicate all the same thing. Never used it myself but sold a lot in my younger days to farmers with cracked blocks in their tractors as I started working in a drug store in 1959 at the age of 7. Mix with water only and drain after the crack is sealed. While I would like to make clear that I am not a Walmart aficionado, I have seen something I believe to be the same in their automotive department. Being lazy and cheap this is the first fix I would try in your situation. Now I know many will say fix it right the first time, but doesn't your doctor try a prescription before he would recommend surgery? Ted

[Eugene]

Bar (brand name) makes an excellent block and head gasket sealer that works with antifreeze. The only problem is that the engine must have some means of circulating the coolent.

If you can figure out some way to circulate engine coolent then a block sealer would probably be the answer.

Eugene

[tnestell]

Sodium Silicate not Methyl Salicylate, let my mind wander and it hasn't returned. Methyl salicylate is wintergreen oil. Sodium silicate is used to seal eggs so they can be kept fresh for long periods of time, used in ceramics, and in a block it turns hard were it is exposed to air. Sorry for my mistake. Ted

[Dale51]

I have used Sodium Silicate!!!!
It will work but I don't like it.
It will rust every piece of steel & cast Iron it touches.
On a car or truck engine you only have to worry about the block.
BUT on a cub the front bolster houses the radiator & is cast iron and will rust the out of it maybe plug the radiator from lose pieces in the future.

[WKPoor]

The sodium silicate ( water glass) works great. Key is too drain out the coolant after a little time and refill with antifreeze. The process will then stop. I've seen H's and M's that had it in for yrs and it didn't harm anything. Leaves a white power behind after a system is drained and let dry. My own H had it in for a while. Its now aprt again and I notice no ill effects.