Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

The Cub Club -- Questions and answers to all of your Cub related issues.
Forum rules
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
User avatar
Dale Finch
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 6073
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 am
Zip Code: 27517
Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: NC, Chapel Hill

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:36 am

Yep! I've always sworn by HyTran, but...... :? :D

Think today is a good day to go grab a burger & wander through my nearby TSC! Have a great Sunday, all!
Dale Finch
Image
Circle of Safety

Clemsonfor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 933
Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:14 pm
Zip Code: 29848
Tractors Owned: Yanmar YM2000
Yanmar YM186 (non running)
1952 Farmall Cub
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Greenwood County SC

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Clemsonfor » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:10 am

I'm a Forester that deals on the Harvest side of things. A tractor as we call it or logging skidder as others call them costs $270,000 today. Most of these guys are not buying the manufacturer brand oil to run in the hydraulic sumps. Buying 30 gallons of fluid from a dealer every time you have a hose bust and empty half of the sump gets pretty expensive. I rarely see pump motors going out on this equipment. Those that do usually have 6,000 to 10,000 hours on these high demand pumps on this stuff. These things run way tighter tolerances than and cub, they also have way more filtration down to a smaller size than this stuff as well.

I guess my point is that if it were so bad to use other brands of fluid I would be seeing pump failures all the time from these guys. And I know a Cub was developed in a totally different time. They were on totally different fluids and technology, today's fluid I would assume is better than 1950 technology oil. If a modern oil says it meets a certain IH spec I would have reason to believe it does so.

indy61
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 1301
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:02 am
Zip Code: 00000
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby indy61 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:08 pm

Hy-Tran didn't come around until 1960 or so. Before that the operators manuals called for 10w engine oil. I don't think the Touch Control was any different.

User avatar
Dale Finch
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 6073
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 am
Zip Code: 27517
Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: NC, Chapel Hill

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:42 pm

Thanks!
Just returned from TSC, where I had hoped to make the final decision & bring some fluids home. But they had almost NOTHING in stock, so I would need to order everything online, then drive :30 each way to pick it up.

Of the different varieties that TSC offer, is THIS the one you guys use? The names TSC uses are all very similar & rather confusing, but this one does say it meets MS-1209.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... on-1277003

I really would like to get as many things as I can from one place:
Hyd. Fluid
Eng Oil
Eng Oil filters
Gear Oil
Wheel bearing grease
Anti freeze, etc

In addition to having a NAPA store very close, I feel pretty sure their product will be around for a while, and I have been happy with their engine oil and filters, antifreeze, and gear oil. If I need to replenish my supply, they have it or CAN have it the next day, usually.

So about the only thing I'm not already getting from NAPA is the hydraulic fluid. I'm pretty sure they have a version of HyTran, but it is probably about $85-95.

My brain is fried. :surrender: ...time to go pull the rear seal, and get going on my project. I'll call NAPA tomorrow to get some more info.
Dale Finch
Image
Circle of Safety

indy61
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 1301
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:02 am
Zip Code: 00000
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby indy61 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:50 pm

I'm confused on the difference in price on these, they appear to be the same?

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... ulic-fluid

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... on-1277003

User avatar
Dale Finch
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 6073
Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:34 am
Zip Code: 27517
Tractors Owned: '51 Cub #140966 "Bruno" with Woods 59 mower
'55 Cub #187541 "Betty" with Fast Hitch
'55 Cub #190482 "Ben" with Woods 42 mower
'55 Cub #191739 "Bertha" with Woods 42 mower
'56 Cub #194370 "Boris" with Mott Flail mower
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: NC, Chapel Hill

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:02 pm

One is 5 gal, the other is 3 x 2gal, I believe. And these may be the same oil... I thought I had linked to 2 different "flavors", not sizes! :shock:

I know... I click through, and get confused... I'm stopping for now!!
Dale Finch
Image
Circle of Safety

Clemsonfor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 933
Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:14 pm
Zip Code: 29848
Tractors Owned: Yanmar YM2000
Yanmar YM186 (non running)
1952 Farmall Cub
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Greenwood County SC

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Clemsonfor » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:42 pm

Dale Finch wrote:Thanks!
Just returned from TSC, where I had hoped to make the final decision & bring some fluids home. But they had almost NOTHING in stock, so I would need to order everything online, then drive :30 each way to pick it up.

Of the different varieties that TSC offer, is THIS the one you guys use? The names TSC uses are all very similar & rather confusing, but this one does say it meets MS-1209.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... on-1277003

I really would like to get as many things as I can from one place:
Hyd. Fluid
Eng Oil
Eng Oil filters
Gear Oil
Wheel bearing grease
Anti freeze, etc

In addition to having a NAPA store very close, I feel pretty sure their product will be around for a while, and I have been happy with their engine oil and filters, antifreeze, and gear oil. If I need to replenish my supply, they have it or CAN have it the next day, usually.

So about the only thing I'm not already getting from NAPA is the hydraulic fluid. I'm pretty sure they have a version of HyTran, but it is probably about $85-95.

My brain is fried. :surrender: ...time to go pull the rear seal, and get going on my project. I'll call NAPA tomorrow to get some more info.



Yes that's the Traveller oil you want. Their other one does not say premium and it doesn't meet the correct IH spec. The other oils they have are hydraulic fluid like aw46 or 90wt oil.

It comes and goes. It's store dependent. I wanted some on black Friday cause it was a good sale. None was in stock for a month. I got a rain check. I was at one a few days ago and they had a pallet or more of this oil. It will get there may take some time.

Clemsonfor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 933
Joined: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:14 pm
Zip Code: 29848
Tractors Owned: Yanmar YM2000
Yanmar YM186 (non running)
1952 Farmall Cub
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Greenwood County SC

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Clemsonfor » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:49 pm

indy61 wrote:I'm confused on the difference in price on these, they appear to be the same?

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... ulic-fluid

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... on-1277003

Those are the same thing. One is a link to the current sale price which is currently $39.99(I think although I thought it was $44.99 at mine) the other I believe is the regular price. There is little games and different links.
I did notice they have different manufacturer part numbers. But I believe it's the same. I also noticed on related products there is a "New traveller premium universal tractor hydro fluid" it has a new bucket label but I am pretty sure it's the same just new bucket maybe new distributor? It is also $39.99 so I'm thinking multiple links exist for different packages as well so that each has a link when it's not really needed.
Last edited by Clemsonfor on Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.

indy61
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 1301
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:02 am
Zip Code: 00000
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby indy61 » Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:51 pm

Clemsonfor wrote:Yes that's the Traveller oil you want. Their other one does not say premium and it doesn't meet the correct IH spec.

They both say premium, both say 5 gal and both meet the specs. :?:

User avatar
Don McCombs
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
Posts: 16389
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:45 am
Zip Code: 21550
Tractors Owned: "1950 Something" Farmall Cub
1957 Farmall Cub w/FH
1977 International Cub w/FH
1978 International Cub
1948 Farmall Super A
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: MD, Deep Creek Lake

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:28 pm

Dale Finch wrote:Just returned from TSC, where I had hoped to make the final decision & bring some fluids home. But they had almost NOTHING in stock, so I would need to order everything online, then drive :30 each way to pick it up.

Bet they had plenty of dog food and cowboy shirts, though, didn’t they?
Don McCombs
MD, Deep Creek Lake

Image
Proud Member of Maryland Chapter 39
Circle of Safety

ScottyD'sdad
Cub Pro
Cub Pro
Posts: 7303
Joined: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:00 pm
Zip Code: 02769
Tractors Owned: 6"F" cubs
5 lo-boys
1 154
1 184
1 IH444
1 Oliver OC3 crawler
1 AC D10
1 IH 100 manure spreader
1 IH model B corn grinder
3 power units
cub demonstrator
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Ma. Rehoboth

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:05 pm

Don, I was amazed at how well your Tractor Supply was stocked, when I was there, a few years back. I even complemented the manager, since mine is usualy sparcely stocked. I once bought a v belt, for a conversion to an alternator, and the hook where it was, was empty for 5 months! Cowboy shirts, they have, dog food, not so much!

Ed
Image
Member of Chapter 18, and National
Circle of Safety

User avatar
Glen
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 5512
Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:33 pm
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: 1956 Farmall Cub with Fast Hitch, F-11 plow, Disc, Cultivator, Cub-22 mower
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Wa.

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Glen » Sun Aug 22, 2021 7:14 pm

Hi,
The last Cub owner's manual that said to use 10W motor oil in the Touch Control was the 1949 manual.
Below is the page from it with the Lubrication Table showing it.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-17.jpg

The 1950 owner's manual says use Touch Control fluid. Jim B. has said it was developed to use in IH Touch Controls.
Below is the page from it.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... e%2017.jpg

I think Hy-Tran fluid came out in about 1958 or 1959, I think it has been said on here before.

Below is the Lubrication Table from the 1965 Cub operator's manual, it is shown in it.

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... age-64.jpg
Last edited by Glen on Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

epinswla
5+ Years
5+ Years
Posts: 17
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:50 pm
Zip Code: 70633
Tractors Owned: L4300DT Kubota
1953 Super A
1977 Cub
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Southwest Louisiana

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby epinswla » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:00 pm

I used NAPA branded fluid because it's close to me and I only needed a small quantity...it's Hy-Tran Plus approved. I didnt do much checking on Hy-Tran vs Hy-Tran Plus but it seems to work fine...is a bit pricey though.
Screenshot_20210822-214544_Samsung capture.jpg

Screenshot_20210822-214512_Chrome.jpg

Jim Becker
Team Cub
Team Cub
Posts: 16443
Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:59 pm
Zip Code: 55319
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: MN

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:45 pm

ScottyD'sdad wrote:
Denny Clayton wrote:
Clemsonfor wrote:Personally I'd buy the TSC premium fluid and just don't worry about it.

:Dito: :Dito:


Not many years ago, you'd be tarred and feathered, for making a statement like that, on this forum. I always used the TSC fluid, but didn't dare to mention it on the forum.

Ed

How many?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68995&p=560731#p560731
viewtopic.php?p=224873#p224873

Eugene
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
Posts: 19665
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:52 pm
Zip Code: 65051
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Mo. Linn

Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Eugene » Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:08 pm

Dale Finch wrote:I know... I click through, and get confused... I'm stopping for now!!
Dale:

I believe you are over thinking the hydraulic oil selection for a Cub.

There are quite a number of different branded hydraulic oils that are Hy-Tran compatable.

My home town has two auto parts stores and one farm and ranch supply store. All 3 carry compatable hydrualic oil.
I have an excuse. CRS.


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Farmall Cub”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: kabuti2 and 2 guests