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Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:15 am

I am getting ready to split a cub for a rear seal, and thus will be draining the hydraulics. I will not have enough HyTran to refill it when finished, so I called my "local IH" (New Holland!) dealer about 30 miles away to see if they had a 5 gal jug for sale. They said they have changed to Viscosity Brand fluid called (I think?) All Traction ($78.74/5gal), but he claimed it was "exactly the same". :?

I have always used HyTran, figuring it was worth the extra $$, but now I guess I will have to make a decision...not on WHETHER to use a substitute, but WHICH substitute to buy. So my question to the group is which brand do most use, that is easily available (without shipping)?

I know it should "meet standard MS-1209", but that covers a lot of brands. I have locally available NAPA (and other auto parts stores), Tractor Supply, Northern Tool, Agri-Supply (not quite as close, but OK), Walmart...

I know I will get a lot of answers, but looking for a consensus! Thanks!!
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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:27 am

Finally found someone online (Hoober.com) who had 5gal jugs...$31+ shipping!! Gotta find something locally available. :(
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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Mht » Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:24 pm

I’ve used the agri supply brand and the oil from tractor supply and have had no problems from either. I’ve never used the actual hy tran oil

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby indy61 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:49 pm

I think B-6 was the International Harvester spec for the Touch Control fluid. Anything meeting that should be fine.
Tractor Supply 5 gal is $39.99....NAPA 5 gal is $83.49

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... ulic-fluid
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NHF85405

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Clemsonfor » Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:43 pm

Personally I'd buy the TSC premium fluid and just don't worry about it.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby muleboss » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:48 pm

I have used regular ATF for years and have never had a problem.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby NJ Farmer » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:50 pm

I’m sure you have a NAPA near by….the sell it and if not in stock can order it for you.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Eugene » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:28 pm

Mht wrote:I’ve used the agri supply brand and the oil from tractor supply and have had no problems from either. I’ve never used the actual hy tran oil
Same here. I get mine from the local farm and ranch store. 1/2 mile from house, thus no shipping
I have an excuse. CRS.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:29 pm

Viscosity Oil Company made (makes?) Hy-Tran for IH and Case-IH.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Dale Finch » Sat Aug 21, 2021 8:19 am

Jim Becker wrote:Viscosity Oil Company made (makes?) Hy-Tran for IH and Case-IH.

Yes, that is what the New Holland guy said...they had to call it something else, even though they had supposedly already been making the HYTRAN labeled fluid for IH.

I don't know if they were required to change the exact formulation, but figured this might be the time to find a GOOD equivalent, at a substantially lower price.

I just checked AgriSupply online, and they have quite an assortment, though several "flavors" are out of stock, and, at least online, do not say specifically that they meet MS-1209 Specs. NAPA or TSC would be the easiest/closest sources. I'm already getting my 90wt gear oil and 30wt engine oil from NAPA.
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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Clemsonfor » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:01 pm

Agrisupply at the location I go to has plenty in stock, maybe not every brand they had but they certainly have one that meets the IH spec for Hy Tran.

Like I said you can get the TSC brand Traveller Universal Tractor fluid and it meets the spec. The cheaper universal fluids there don't meet the HybTran Spec but the Premium Traveller does. Get your oil there as well it's about the cheapest place for their brand oil. Cheaper than Walmart oil when you buy it in 2.5 gallon jugs. I'm probably going to get 2 gallons of gear oil there soon cause it's on sale and about the best price you can find anywhere.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Stanton » Sat Aug 21, 2021 1:28 pm

Dale Finch wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:Viscosity Oil Company made (makes?) Hy-Tran for IH and Case-IH.

Yes, that is what the New Holland guy said...they had to call it something else, even though they had supposedly already been making the HYTRAN labeled fluid for IH.

I don't know if they were required to change the exact formulation, but figured this might be the time to find a GOOD equivalent, at a substantially lower price.

I just checked AgriSupply online, and they have quite an assortment, though several "flavors" are out of stock, and, at least online, do not say specifically that they meet MS-1209 Specs. NAPA or TSC would be the easiest/closest sources. I'm already getting my 90wt gear oil and 30wt engine oil from NAPA.


Dale, I've been using TSC Universal Premium Hydraulic fluid for years now and haven't had any issues with my Touch Control. Also use their 80W-90 gear oil.

Don't forget to order several oil filters while you're at it and have them ship to your TSC store (no shipping charge): https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/tisco-oil-filter-376373r91?cm_vc=-10005
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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Super A » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:38 pm

Dale Finch wrote:
Jim Becker wrote:Viscosity Oil Company made (makes?) Hy-Tran for IH and Case-IH.

Yes, that is what the New Holland guy said...they had to call it something else, even though they had supposedly already been making the HYTRAN labeled fluid for IH.

I don't know if they were required to change the exact formulation, but figured this might be the time to find a GOOD equivalent, at a substantially lower price.

I just checked AgriSupply online, and they have quite an assortment, though several "flavors" are out of stock, and, at least online, do not say specifically that they meet MS-1209 Specs. NAPA or TSC would be the easiest/closest sources. I'm already getting my 90wt gear oil and 30wt engine oil from NAPA.


Mastertran is/was Hy Tran, for the New Holland side of Case New Holland. Same oil.

According to the IH Group on FB, per Ken Updike, Viscosity Oil did make all Hy Tran for caseIH. This year caseIH switched manufacturers to Shell for the North American market. Viscosity still makes Hy-Tran for caseIH's overseas markets. They call the new oil Hy Tran Premium now. Supposed to be 100% backward compatible with all the earlier versions. A lot of guys say it smells bad now. (I think they should make ladies' perfume that smells like the original Hy-Tran.)

(Also Hy-Tran is a brand name. You can't buy it at NAPA, Tractor Supply, etc.)

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby Denny Clayton » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:01 am

Clemsonfor wrote:Personally I'd buy the TSC premium fluid and just don't worry about it.

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Re: Touch Control Hydraulic fluid??

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:21 am

Denny Clayton wrote:
Clemsonfor wrote:Personally I'd buy the TSC premium fluid and just don't worry about it.

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Not many years ago, you'd be tarred and feathered, for making a statement like that, on this forum. I always used the TSC fluid, but didn't dare to mention it on the forum.

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