Hi Guys,
First off, I realize this is one of those "who cares" questions, but I ask because I like to understand the details of how things worked on the assembly line when these tractors were built. Maybe the answer will help someone in doing a 100% restoration someday.......maybe not. So here goes;
I pulled off the toolbox on the '76 Cub I just got to see what condition it was in, and then removed the battery box. Take a look at the pics below. There's no paint on the side of the toolbox that faces the battery box, or on the bottom......just that di-chromate primer that was all the rage back then. That tells me the toolbox was painted after being installed on the tractor and after the battery box was installed. But the side of the battery box that faces the toolbox is fully painted red. That means either the battery box was painted red before it was installed on the tractor........or the tractor got hit with paint again after all the little things like the toolbox were installed. I would have expected either both the toolbox and battery box to have been painted before being installed on the tractor.......or both painted after installation.....in which case the side of the battery box facing the toolbox should also only have primer on it. It's amazing what will keep you up at night. Anybody know the story behind this one?
thanks,
bob
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Weren't 1976 Cubs yellow and white?
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Mine is. Could be the tool box started life on another tractor.
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Or the battery box has been repainted (or replaced) by a previous owner?
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Certainly could be.......but the yellow looking paint in the pics isn't yellow.......it's a dull primer. My camera isn't doing it justice. There's always the possibility it came from another tractor or is a replacement, but I don't think so. But that does raise a good question........if you went to your local IH or Case dealer, say in 1980, and bought a new toolbox.......would it come primed or painted red or white....or black? Anybody know? I bought a new 4-bar grill for my '59 Cub from Case/IH back in the late 80's (before all the repro parts hit the streets) and it came in gray primer.
regards,
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
I have a original 1976 red cub.
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
i would bet that is a replacement box. It looks like it was painted with a brush at one time.
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Looks original paint to me. Yes on the longstripes (possibly before 1976 too) you could get them all Red from the factory as an OPTION. They came yellow/white standard but could get them red. I have an original 1976 Red Cub that is a longstripe. That yellow is the primer that IH used at least from the early to mid-60s on up. Seen it many, many times on Cubs, 140s, and 424 IH tractors of that era.
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
i don't believe that original, not with brush strokes along the edges.
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
Hi Guys,
Rob, I can help you out. I took a much closer look at the paint on the toolbox and the thicker paint on the edges that you think are brush strokes really aren't. On the vertical it's a paint run and across the top it's just where the paint accumulated and would have begun to run down if there was just a little more applied. Someone sprayed a second coat of red on the battery box and those areas of thick paint on the toolbox are from overspray. I'll put up another pic that shows that more clearly. There's no brush strokes anywhere on the battery box or the toolbox. That being said I can't prove it wasn't a replacement toolbox added at some point. But I will add that the patina of the rusted parts of the toolbox match the patina of the rest of the tractor.......so if it was changed it wasn't changed recently. I can also tell from looking closely at the paint on the toolbox that there is only one full coat of red over the yellow primer. I guess if we could figure out if the replacement parts from IH came in yellow primer or not we might be able to eliminate one of the possibilities. I went out in my stash and found an NOS toolbox I bought from IH back in 1995 and it's red. I remember asking the dealer if it was a reproduction, as I think they were just starting to repop certain Cub parts around then, and he told me no, it was NOS because it had been sitting on his parts shelf for years. But that doesn't mean that IH replacement parts made earlier were also painted red. I would think that because most of the later Cubs were white.......the replacement parts would either come in primer or black. But don't know for sure. Maybe someone will chime in who was there.
regards,
bob
Rob, I can help you out. I took a much closer look at the paint on the toolbox and the thicker paint on the edges that you think are brush strokes really aren't. On the vertical it's a paint run and across the top it's just where the paint accumulated and would have begun to run down if there was just a little more applied. Someone sprayed a second coat of red on the battery box and those areas of thick paint on the toolbox are from overspray. I'll put up another pic that shows that more clearly. There's no brush strokes anywhere on the battery box or the toolbox. That being said I can't prove it wasn't a replacement toolbox added at some point. But I will add that the patina of the rusted parts of the toolbox match the patina of the rest of the tractor.......so if it was changed it wasn't changed recently. I can also tell from looking closely at the paint on the toolbox that there is only one full coat of red over the yellow primer. I guess if we could figure out if the replacement parts from IH came in yellow primer or not we might be able to eliminate one of the possibilities. I went out in my stash and found an NOS toolbox I bought from IH back in 1995 and it's red. I remember asking the dealer if it was a reproduction, as I think they were just starting to repop certain Cub parts around then, and he told me no, it was NOS because it had been sitting on his parts shelf for years. But that doesn't mean that IH replacement parts made earlier were also painted red. I would think that because most of the later Cubs were white.......the replacement parts would either come in primer or black. But don't know for sure. Maybe someone will chime in who was there.
regards,
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Re: Assembly Line Paint Riddle
The red that you see under the yellow in this photo of my original paint 77 is the red (oxide?) primer that IH used on at least the castings.
It is not the same color or texture as the Glyptal used on the inside of oil containing castings.
It is not the same color or texture as the Glyptal used on the inside of oil containing castings.
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