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Cub caught on fire
First and foremost I am new to the forum so hello all. I got this cub from my gf’s grandfather on a trade when I got it it only started and ran when pull started, I was told it would only start this way bc the timing was off, so I started messing with the timing thought I had everything set exactly right. I guess not when I started it with the starter motor it backfired and flames burst from under the fuel tank where the sediment bowl was. Turns out I had a hole in the back of the manifold the size of a silver dollar and a small fuel leak from the sediment bowl. Long story short after the fire department came I started to asses if it was a total lose or not, I believe it is reparable everything that was plastic is history my questions are why would it only start and run when pull started and what are some other things to look for since the fire? Sorry for the long post
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Let's back up a bit.
First, welcome to the forum and Cub family.
Besides any plastic parts, you'll need new wiring most likely. The other things you'll have to assess when you get into it a bit deeper.
I have a '48 with a magneto so l am not the right one to ask about timing, it's a bit different animal than a distributor. The good thing is l can hand crank mine to start.
Good luck
First, welcome to the forum and Cub family.
Besides any plastic parts, you'll need new wiring most likely. The other things you'll have to assess when you get into it a bit deeper.
I have a '48 with a magneto so l am not the right one to ask about timing, it's a bit different animal than a distributor. The good thing is l can hand crank mine to start.
Good luck
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Needing pull started happens a lot of the time when one has set a long time and oil has drained off rings reducing compression. If you could post some pictures, that would help give an idea of what to check out as to fire damage. You have probably already thought about it, but you just learned why I have a large fire extinguisher hanging right inside the walk in door of my shop. It is even a fairly new one, I emptied my old one when a neighbors tractor we were welding on caught fire a couple years ago.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Welcome to the forum!
Fire was a big worry of mine when I started working on my Cub. The wiring was a total mess and the fuse holder had been spliced out of it. As much as I hated to, I held off trying to start it until I rewired it.
And dang it, John has got me worried as some of the pieces on the 3 point hitch I'm building I had planned on tacking together while on the Cub.
Fire was a big worry of mine when I started working on my Cub. The wiring was a total mess and the fuse holder had been spliced out of it. As much as I hated to, I held off trying to start it until I rewired it.
And dang it, John has got me worried as some of the pieces on the 3 point hitch I'm building I had planned on tacking together while on the Cub.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
In my past I worked in a chemical plant with thousands of gallons of solvents stored in tanks all around the site. Any time there was any work to be done that MIGHT produce a spark of any kind a written checklist of preparations had to be completed and signed off on by everyone that was involved. From that I learned that there is only the first time to get it right and take whatever precautions that need to be taken to prevent a catastrophe. Proper ventilation, vapors removal, isolation, barriers, extinguishers, water available and running for instant use, just to name a few. Lots of jobs can be done with the proper preparation and safety measures in place. JMHOWilly wrote:......Fire was a big worry of mine ..............And dang it, John has got me worried as some of the pieces on the 3 point hitch I'm building I had planned on tacking together while on the Cub.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
staninlowerAL wrote:In my past I worked in a chemical plant with thousands of gallons of solvents stored in tanks all around the site. Any time there was any work to be done that MIGHT produce a spark of any kind a written checklist of preparations had to be completed and signed off on by everyone that was involved. From that I learned that there is only the first time to get it right and take whatever precautions that need to be taken to prevent a catastrophe. Proper ventilation, vapors removal, isolation, barriers, extinguishers, water available and running for instant use, just to name a few. Lots of jobs can be done with the proper preparation and safety measures in place. JMHOWilly wrote:......Fire was a big worry of mine ..............And dang it, John has got me worried as some of the pieces on the 3 point hitch I'm building I had planned on tacking together while on the Cub.
Just last year an experienced mechanic lost his life while working on a small speed boat a few towns away. He was working with a torch near the gas tank when it exploded. I assume he forgot to empty the tank. He survived the explosion but had 3rd degree burns over I believe 90% of his body. He passed away the next day. Just goes to show you that you can never be to careful.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
An empty tank is probably more dangerous than a full one. IT'S STILL FULL OF VAPOR THAT CAN AND WILL EXPLODE IF THERE'S AN IGNITION SOURCE.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Oh and welcome to the forum, sorry about what happened to your cub, hope its repairable. Me personally I'd take advantage situation to do a complete breakdown of him/her, repair replace any damaged parts and new gaskets.(if you feel it repairable), if tank got cooked good, I would just pick up a used one to replace it, since electrical system will need replacing (simple), I would do an upgrade to 12 volts, but that's me... The members on this forum have tons of knowledge and are extremely helpful as I learned since joining, In the end your cub would be like new if you choose to rebuild as I did to mine .... Good luck
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Hydraulic lift resivoir could be toast too...........the orings and plastic parts inside. Depends how hot and how long it burned. Pictures will greatly help.
At minimum I would order a new manifold, wiring harness from Brillman, and the standard tune up parts. Its possible it needed a pull start because there was lost compression from the hole in the manifold.
At minimum I would order a new manifold, wiring harness from Brillman, and the standard tune up parts. Its possible it needed a pull start because there was lost compression from the hole in the manifold.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Welcome! Sorry to hear of your fire.
Take some time and read through a few threads to acquaint you with the Forum:
After your 2nd post on the Forum, you'll have access to the all the PDF Manuals. They are located via "Quick Links" in the upper left corner of your screen. Hit that and a pull-down appears where you'll find "PDF Manuals". Through that link, you'll be able to download an Owner's Manual (very strongly recommended) and any service manuals that interest you. Implement Manuals are also available.
Here's a helpful thread: What to do with a Cub you just brought home
LIke John stated, post some pictures and we'll have an opportunity to advise you.
Glad you joined us.
Take some time and read through a few threads to acquaint you with the Forum:
- Welcome Wagon
- How to Upload Pictures to a Post
- Forum Picture Posting And Other Interesting Things You Can Do
- Using the Forum
After your 2nd post on the Forum, you'll have access to the all the PDF Manuals. They are located via "Quick Links" in the upper left corner of your screen. Hit that and a pull-down appears where you'll find "PDF Manuals". Through that link, you'll be able to download an Owner's Manual (very strongly recommended) and any service manuals that interest you. Implement Manuals are also available.
Here's a helpful thread: What to do with a Cub you just brought home
LIke John stated, post some pictures and we'll have an opportunity to advise you.
Glad you joined us.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
staninlowerAL wrote:In my past I worked in a chemical plant with thousands of gallons of solvents stored in tanks all around the site. Any time there was any work to be done that MIGHT produce a spark of any kind a written checklist of preparations had to be completed and signed off on by everyone that was involved. From that I learned that there is only the first time to get it right and take whatever precautions that need to be taken to prevent a catastrophe. Proper ventilation, vapors removal, isolation, barriers, extinguishers, water available and running for instant use, just to name a few. Lots of jobs can be done with the proper preparation and safety measures in place. JMHOWilly wrote:......Fire was a big worry of mine ..............And dang it, John has got me worried as some of the pieces on the 3 point hitch I'm building I had planned on tacking together while on the Cub.
Yep, I'm a retired Navy engineer and we did the same thing when any cutting, welding or grinding was going on onboard the ships. In my first few years, I always seemed to be the one who had to stand around with a CO2 fire extinguisher when hotwork was going on down in the engine room.
I've got my welding setup on an old factory cart that I roll out the door of the shop to do any "hotwork" outside. I was figuring on parking the Cub outside in reach of the leads, do a few tacks on the pieces to hold them in place and then take the piece back up to weld it on up. But, it's raining today and for the next few days, so I'm probably not going to get much welding done.
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Re: Cub caught on fire
sounds like the timing was to advanced. does it have a Mag or distributor. they have different ways of timing, as for the fire i hope the tractor is salvageable. this is why i always have a fire extinguisher around when im starting anything for the first time
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Re: Cub caught on fire
Thanks everyone for your input at the time of the fire it was in my shed so I made quick work of pushing it out or it would have for sure burnt it down along with everything in it including my cub cadet 104 tht I love dearly, but anyways I ran up the house and got my extinguisher and emptied the whole thing under the fuel bowl which had melted and allowed 1/2 a tank of 93octane to dump out, the fire laughed at my mid sized extinguisher and started right back up. I will post pictures as soon as I check out what Stanton sent me to learn how. The compression makes since to me now and could it be from a possible carb issue? The tractor has a mag
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