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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Willy » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:18 pm

Man, I hate to hear this. Was this the "bug eyed" Cub?

I've "cold" welded cast before on some rare exhaust manifold that were broke, but it takes forever and a day to make any progress at it and it can't be rushed.
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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:12 pm

Willy wrote:Man, I hate to hear this. Was this the "bug eyed" Cub?

I've "cold" welded cast before on some rare exhaust manifold that were broke, but it takes forever and a day to make any progress at it and it can't be rushed.


yup, ole bug eyes bit the dust
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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Drfting1 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:30 pm

I liked that cub.... You'll have to get another cub to put those headlights on...
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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby ajhbike » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:43 pm

Too bad about the cub....good thing you got that 140

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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:51 pm

ajhbike wrote:Too bad about the cub....good thing you got that 140


I still have the 55 cub too. but Ole Bug Eyes was kinda special because it ran good and was a beater. didnt matter what it looked like, it was just a worker bee. but maybe she will live again one day, who knows

I need to strap it up so I can move it then, find a place to take it apart
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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Super A » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:52 pm

Many years ago, as in I was in middle school so mid-late 80s, we had one of our tractors over at the local mechanic (he was a wizard with anything with moving parts and internal combustion) to be repaired. I remembered he had a Cub in for repair at the same time. The guy had been mowing (belly mower) with it and accidentally drove off into a ditch. It broke the whole front of the block off. The owner had found another block and a transplant was being performed.

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Re: I broke it in half...

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:28 pm

ok here it is, if the ear could be welded back on to the block by somebody proficient in the task a new bolster would have this back in the field. close inspection reveals this ear was broken off before and that the bolster welds didn't have much hold, as some areas were rusty and had not had any adhesion in some time. if somebody like Shane lived close I bet the ear could be properly welded as most of it is open and it only attaches in a few places, its mostly water pipe and bolt holes. you can see the gargantuan task I was applying it to....yup that lil pile of dirt n gravel...must be something a lil bigger lurking underneath. but I have driven there for years n don't recall anything severe living there.
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Shane Nelson » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:05 pm

Sorry to hear about your setback. That second picture, that’s what cast does when welded. It breaks right beside where it’s welded most every time. Sometimes you get lucky if it’s preheated and welded with the right rod. Next time your in a place that sells welding rods look at a small pack of rods either for cast iron or nickel rods. You’ll be surprised how much they cost and how far you don’t get with that small pack. That ear is a tough weld because there’s not much to weld to and there’s a lot of weight on it without a blade or anything else putting extra force on it
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:31 pm

I am familiar with cast iron rod as well as nickle, have you ever used certanium? my dad used it once. I have tried both nickle and cast iron stick rods with no satisfaction on a vise a buddy broke with a 4ft cheater bar. (I was bedridden at the time ) I have also seen a man use cast rod, I mean actual square rods cast into the shape. he used a torch and special flux for cast iron and a heat stop product he saturated with water and put on either side of the weld to stop heat travel. I watched him break a perfectly good ford 8n manifold simply to show my brother and I this method. I found out years later this guy was a something of a celebrity. In certain crowds at least, His name was Don Kammerer. he made the very first prototype CVA mountain rifle back in the early 70s. This rifle holds a place in blackpowder replica history and is considered a very accurate collectible rifle today. Don is gone now but I would have trusted him to weld it! (I have a USA marked maple stocked kit mountain rifle from 1974 still in the cellophane)

edited to add, Don ran a welding shop near Kendallville Indiana
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Frozenstate » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:00 pm

An old welder years ago showed me how to weld cast with everdure rod using a stick welder with a carbon arc rod for heat. Preheated the part, weld the part and bury it in sand real quick and leave it to cool. It always worked great on printing press parts.

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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:20 pm

The bottom radiator housing is definitely toast. I have never seen a lower water pipe with a drain like that before though.

The engine ear could be welded and one of the braces that a member sells installed to reduce the stress on the weld. If you do that though, I doubt I would put a front blade or a cultivator, nor a sickle mower on it due to the extra stress they cause. Something belly or rear mounted should not be a problem though.
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:31 pm

John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote:The bottom radiator housing is definitely toast. I have never seen a lower water pipe with a drain like that before though.

The engine ear could be welded and one of the braces that a member sells installed to reduce the stress on the weld. If you do that though, I doubt I would put a front blade or a cultivator, nor a sickle mower on it due to the extra stress they cause. Something belly or rear mounted should not be a problem though.


I thought about braces, and a blade??? :shock: are you kidding me?? I am afraid to put a blade on another cub EVER!! lol

Ok I admit all you see is OLD damage that was re-broken. but no, if I find a bolster and manage to put it back together its a trailer dragger or maybe a belly mower unit, nothing will attach to the front ever again. the engine is intact, oil wise, if I find a way to cool it and fasten it into a frame it will run
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:43 pm

John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote: I have never seen a lower water pipe with a drain like that before though.



so now I will be looking for another one, anything like that I find interesting. we need Jim to tell us what years it came on :P
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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:46 pm

Indy4570 wrote:
John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote: I have never seen a lower water pipe with a drain like that before though.

so now I will be looking for another one, anything like that I find interesting. we need Jim to tell us what years it came on :P

Inlet elbow from a power unit.

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Re: I broke it in half... (pics added)

Postby Indy4570 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:57 pm

Jim Becker wrote:
Indy4570 wrote:
John *.?-!.* cub owner wrote: I have never seen a lower water pipe with a drain like that before though.

so now I will be looking for another one, anything like that I find interesting. we need Jim to tell us what years it came on :P

Inlet elbow from a power unit.


OK need more input, inlet.. inlet for what? it has a plug in a downward position, how will you inlet anything into that?

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